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Turn Signal Tech
Questions regarding turn signals are among the most common asked on the UK MG Enthusiasts' BB Site. One of the list's contributors, Gene Burgess of Ontario, Canada, recently ran into what seemed to him to be a case of a haunted turn signal issue. Gene dove into the problem and eventually solved it. He also agreed to share his findings with us in the form of an excellent description of the inner workings of the mysterious 'Direction Indicator Relay Unit'. Here's Gene's text:
After an exasperating time with the turn signals on my TF recently, I was
asked to
describe what I had learned of the inner workings of the Turn Signal Relay Box.
First let me say
that I am by no means an electrical expert, but rather a backyard mechanic who
has been in the
backyard a little while, and someone who has always been hesitant at tracing
more than the
obvious electrical gremlins. That said, here is what I’ve been able to figure
out about the Relay
Box. If there are any experts out there who can correct or add to any of the
info here, .... Please
do so, because we will all benefit!
If you’ve ever looked at the Moss catalogues you already know that the relay box
is a
pricey piece to be purchasing, especially if with a little fiddling you could
fix it yourself. Note that
the top of the box cover has the terminals labelled 1 to 8, and I’ll refer to
the terminals labelled as
such in the same positions as the box cover. The top cover of the box is a press
fit and can be
pried off with a thin screwdriver. Since it is metal, it is best to ensure that
the ignition switch is
turned off, and possibly the battery disconnected as well, to prevent any
unwanted shorts that
could prove expensive, while removing the top cover and while making any
adjustments to the
points.
Underneath are two relays and 6 sets of contact points that separately operate
the brake
lights, and the front and rear turn signal lights on both sides of the car. It
is a rather ingenious
setup when you watch what goes on when the system is operating properly.
The relays themselves have one end of their electromagnetic windings soldered
together to
the base of the relay box between terminals 4 and 5, and dictate that the box
must be properly
grounded through its mounting bolts to the firewall in order to work. The other
end of the relay
electromagnetic windings go to either terminal 4 and 5, depending on which side
of the car that
relay is supposed to provide its switching. This is easy seen with the top cover
removed and the
ignition switched on. Putting the turn signal switch to one side will make the
relay for that side of
the car operate. In my TF, the relay on the left side of the relay box operates
the lights on the
right side of the car, and vice versa. (I would have thought it would be the
other way around!)
With both relays at rest (and the ignition on of course) the relay box allows
the brake
lights to work on both sides of the car. Since each relay operates just one side
of the car, if you
have one brake light that doesn’t operate, and you know that the bulb and the
wiring to the relay
box, and appropriate other wiring to the brake pressure switch and so on is
correct, the top
contact point at the end of the copper coloured reed for that side of the car is
the culprit. It is
either corroded or out of alignment. Cleaning with spray contact cleaner, fine
emery paper, or
such, should fix the contacts if they are dirty. Bending the top contact arm
slightly that is between
terminals 1 and 8 (not the copper reed plate on top of the relay!) will properly
align the points to
be closed at rest, and the brake lights should light. It is often hard to see
the fine clearances
between the points, to tell if they are properly closed, and a multimeter is the
sure way to tell here.
When the turn signal switch is turned to one side of the car, the corresponding
relay for
the signal lights on that side of the car will pull down, breaking the contact
for the brake light on
that side of the car (makes sense since you would want the signal light to
flash, not stay on
continuously), and closing the two other contact points to the front and rear
signal lights that are
on the bottom of those copper reeds. A close look at the copper contact reed of
the relay, will
show the longest part of it holding the contact for the front turn signal light
on its bottom, and
the smaller paddle-shaped contact for the rear turn signal light inside of the
longest part of the
reed, also on its bottom. By careful cleaning and alignment of the contact
terminals underneath
the copper reeds, you’ll be able to correct improper gaps. This is best done
with the relay box out
of the car, where there is room to work without doing damage to the delicate
parts, and again a
multimeter may be the way to go here.
A few more items to note.
Watch both relays as you cycle the turn signal switch to one side and then the
other. When
activated, both reeds should pull down the same amount. One relay on my car
didn’t drop as
much as the other, which pointed to part of the problems I was having with the
turn signals on
that side of the car. Bending the terminal ends underneath the copper contact
reed allowed me to
match the drop of both relays, and then fine tune the contacts from there.
With the relay box in the car and properly wired, put one end of a test light to
ground.
With the ignition on and the turn signal switch turned to signal a left turn,
the test probe should
flash at terminal 2 for the front left turn signal. At terminal 3 it should
flash for the left rear turn
signal. Likewise, with the turn signal switch set for a right turn, terminal 7
should flash for the
right front turn signal, and terminal 6 should flash for the right rear turn
signal.
After many trials I discovered that the settings of the various contacts are
very critical. It
doesn’t take much bending one way or another to make them either work or not.
Lifting or
pushing down on one part of the reeds is all that’s needed to get a light to
flash, generally. From
there its lifting or bending down of the contacts on the terminal in question,
but never attempt
to bend the reed! Make no adjustments to the reeds whatsoever. Patience is
what’s needed when
tackling the relay box setup. I also found that one should carry needle nosed
pliers and a small
screwdriver in the tool box, in order to make small adjustments. Having
everything work properly
in the garage was not the same as discovering that another minor adjustment was
needed during a
road trip.
Gene